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		<title>By: Bloggers Need To Learn To Respect Some Traditions — Shooting at Bubbles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloggers Need To Learn To Respect Some Traditions — Shooting at Bubbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just finished reading a post by Mark Evans that really sunk in a simple fact. There are some bloggers who have absolutely no respect for some [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Everlasting Footprints, But Not From Birkenstock &#124; The Other Bloke's Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/09/30/is-anything-off-the-record/comment-page-1/#comment-114395</link>
		<dc:creator>Everlasting Footprints, But Not From Birkenstock &#124; The Other Bloke's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but they are much more persistent as many politicians are now finding out. As Mark Evans asks, Is Anything Off the Record? The strange part is a lot of people don’t really get this digital deal. They don’t understand [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but they are much more persistent as many politicians are now finding out. As Mark Evans asks, Is Anything Off the Record? The strange part is a lot of people don’t really get this digital deal. They don’t understand [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PRJack</title>
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		<dc:creator>PRJack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so, does this mean that you need some media training Mark? LOL ;-)

One of the things that I try to keep telling people - especially those who are utterly dismissive of traditional media - is that there are significant differences between traditional and non-traditional journalists. 

Traditional journalists tend to have a &#039;code of behaviour&#039;  Sure they aren&#039;t carved in stone and there will be as many interpretations as there are people, and as an agency person I&#039;ve come to understand how that all works. 

With the &#039;citizen-journalist&#039; (aka blogger) there are really no rules. As such it means that one has to be that much more careful when talking to a blogger - and that hamstringing of open-ness goes against the very nature of blogging... nice catch 22, isn&#039;t it?

This isn&#039;t to say that one situation is better than the other, but rather, that the two can be and often are different enough that different engagement strategies need to be employed. 

Ultimately, blogger or journalist it really comes down to the same thing... building meaningful, trustworthy connections and relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, does this mean that you need some media training Mark? LOL <img src='http://www.markevanstech.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One of the things that I try to keep telling people &#8211; especially those who are utterly dismissive of traditional media &#8211; is that there are significant differences between traditional and non-traditional journalists. </p>
<p>Traditional journalists tend to have a &#8216;code of behaviour&#8217;  Sure they aren&#8217;t carved in stone and there will be as many interpretations as there are people, and as an agency person I&#8217;ve come to understand how that all works. </p>
<p>With the &#8216;citizen-journalist&#8217; (aka blogger) there are really no rules. As such it means that one has to be that much more careful when talking to a blogger &#8211; and that hamstringing of open-ness goes against the very nature of blogging&#8230; nice catch 22, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that one situation is better than the other, but rather, that the two can be and often are different enough that different engagement strategies need to be employed. </p>
<p>Ultimately, blogger or journalist it really comes down to the same thing&#8230; building meaningful, trustworthy connections and relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: Tish Grier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tish Grier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but not all blogs want to be &quot;media&quot; (as in mainstream media)--that&#039;s a point of ongoing debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but not all blogs want to be &#8220;media&#8221; (as in mainstream media)&#8211;that&#8217;s a point of ongoing debate.</p>
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		<title>By: When It All Goes Wrong Again&#8230; &#171; chartreuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>When It All Goes Wrong Again&#8230; &#171; chartreuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We know everything. Really. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: This Conversation Will Be Recorded &#124; The Noisy Channel</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Conversation Will Be Recorded &#124; The Noisy Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] conversations have given way to a norm of unbridled exposure. As Mark Evans writes in &#8220;Is Anything Off the Record?&#8221; that &#8220;everything you say/write is public, even casual conversations over a coffee, is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] conversations have given way to a norm of unbridled exposure. As Mark Evans writes in &#8220;Is Anything Off the Record?&#8221; that &#8220;everything you say/write is public, even casual conversations over a coffee, is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a journalist, the rules were clear. As well, you developed relationships where people could say things, and know that you wouldn&#039;t publish them unless you asked and they gave you permission. I suspect blogs will evolve in the same direction if they want to become &quot;media&quot;.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a journalist, the rules were clear. As well, you developed relationships where people could say things, and know that you wouldn&#8217;t publish them unless you asked and they gave you permission. I suspect blogs will evolve in the same direction if they want to become &#8220;media&#8221;.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Haff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Haff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d largely echo Louis. When I take a call/email from a journalist or someone else who is looking for comment about XYZ, it&#039;s pretty clear that everything I say is on-the-record unless I explicitly state otherwise. On the other hand, if I&#039;m having beers with that same person, I would not expect to see things I say appear in print unless they&#039;ve cleared it with me.

As an analyst, I&#039;m fairly cautious about directly quoting vendor execs when we&#039;ve spoken outside of a formal context (e.g. public announcement, many briefings). This is somewhat of a judgment call but, even if not actually confidential, I think there are a lot of cases where people don&#039;t expect to see direct, attributed quotes in print.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d largely echo Louis. When I take a call/email from a journalist or someone else who is looking for comment about XYZ, it&#8217;s pretty clear that everything I say is on-the-record unless I explicitly state otherwise. On the other hand, if I&#8217;m having beers with that same person, I would not expect to see things I say appear in print unless they&#8217;ve cleared it with me.</p>
<p>As an analyst, I&#8217;m fairly cautious about directly quoting vendor execs when we&#8217;ve spoken outside of a formal context (e.g. public announcement, many briefings). This is somewhat of a judgment call but, even if not actually confidential, I think there are a lot of cases where people don&#8217;t expect to see direct, attributed quotes in print.</p>
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		<title>By: Tish Grier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tish Grier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much food for thought in your post, Mark....

However, I think that asking someone to keep info &quot;off the record,&quot; expecting certain things to be kept off the record, and info that we put on social networking profiles or our own blogs to not bite us are different issues.

If we are putting info on a social networking profile, that info is, technically, in the public domain.  Therefore, we have to watch what we say about ourselves, if we are interested in cultivating a &quot;personal brand&quot; or even keeping our public persona on the up and up.  

Which is a good thing to do!  In the U.S., there have been no test cases of potential employees suing employers over being denied employment because of their social networking profiles (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://spap-oop.blogspot.com/2008/03/do-you-know-whos-googling-you.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; from my blog) but as you note, it&#039;s happening with some regularity these days. We have to be our own judges of what&#039;s off or on the record.

However, when you&#039;re talking with someone in casual conversation, you should have a sense whether or not you can trust that person.  People who write personal blogs have different reasons for writing what someone tells them than someone who writes a more focused, business-related blog--so if you&#039;re talking with a friend who&#039;s a blogger, know what kind of blog they write, and whether or not you might be mentioned (and how you&#039;re mentioned.)  If it&#039;s someone who&#039;s writing as an citizen journalist, depending on the conversation, you might need to mention something is &quot;off the record.&quot;  Whether it stays off the record, however, is another thing that few in the blogosphere can agree on. There&#039;s no easy solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much food for thought in your post, Mark&#8230;.</p>
<p>However, I think that asking someone to keep info &#8220;off the record,&#8221; expecting certain things to be kept off the record, and info that we put on social networking profiles or our own blogs to not bite us are different issues.</p>
<p>If we are putting info on a social networking profile, that info is, technically, in the public domain.  Therefore, we have to watch what we say about ourselves, if we are interested in cultivating a &#8220;personal brand&#8221; or even keeping our public persona on the up and up.  </p>
<p>Which is a good thing to do!  In the U.S., there have been no test cases of potential employees suing employers over being denied employment because of their social networking profiles (see <a href="http://spap-oop.blogspot.com/2008/03/do-you-know-whos-googling-you.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a> from my blog) but as you note, it&#8217;s happening with some regularity these days. We have to be our own judges of what&#8217;s off or on the record.</p>
<p>However, when you&#8217;re talking with someone in casual conversation, you should have a sense whether or not you can trust that person.  People who write personal blogs have different reasons for writing what someone tells them than someone who writes a more focused, business-related blog&#8211;so if you&#8217;re talking with a friend who&#8217;s a blogger, know what kind of blog they write, and whether or not you might be mentioned (and how you&#8217;re mentioned.)  If it&#8217;s someone who&#8217;s writing as an citizen journalist, depending on the conversation, you might need to mention something is &#8220;off the record.&#8221;  Whether it stays off the record, however, is another thing that few in the blogosphere can agree on. There&#8217;s no easy solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say that people need to utilize best judgment, but it&#039;s no surprise not everyone has it.

If I engage in an e-mail conversation with a developer of a service I&#039;ll be writing about and ask questions and get answers, I will sometimes excerpt those for a post and cite &quot;said in an e-mail.&quot; I also have quoted from comments on FriendFeed or Twitter, because those are public comments that are attributed.

That said, I have e-mail conversations all the time with other bloggers which I trust will be &quot;off the record&quot;. It&#039;s an issue of knowing who you are talking with, their goals, and whether they are trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say that people need to utilize best judgment, but it&#8217;s no surprise not everyone has it.</p>
<p>If I engage in an e-mail conversation with a developer of a service I&#8217;ll be writing about and ask questions and get answers, I will sometimes excerpt those for a post and cite &#8220;said in an e-mail.&#8221; I also have quoted from comments on FriendFeed or Twitter, because those are public comments that are attributed.</p>
<p>That said, I have e-mail conversations all the time with other bloggers which I trust will be &#8220;off the record&#8221;. It&#8217;s an issue of knowing who you are talking with, their goals, and whether they are trusted.</p>
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