<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: iPhone Mathematics: Consumers Will Pay and Pay and Pay</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/</link>
	<description>Insight and Analysis from North of the Border</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: BloggerJacks &#187; I Have Turned Bearish on Apple!</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/#comment-81593</link>
		<dc:creator>BloggerJacks &#187; I Have Turned Bearish on Apple!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3500#comment-81593</guid>
		<description>[...] same subject, broke it down like this, the iPhone is a razor, and the App store is selling blades, writes Mark Evans. He he went a bit further, too. He said: “love your iPhone but get ready to pay through the nose [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] same subject, broke it down like this, the iPhone is a razor, and the App store is selling blades, writes Mark Evans. He he went a bit further, too. He said: “love your iPhone but get ready to pay through the nose [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: THAT Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/#comment-74650</link>
		<dc:creator>THAT Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3500#comment-74650</guid>
		<description>I predict the Rogers pricing model, coupled with inevitable mid-contract increases, is going to kill the golden goose.  

The breadth of wi-fi coverage in Canada increases every year, and Skype is shaking the kinks out of its mobile product.  A year ago I experimented with using a wi-fi enabled PDA rather than a cell phone and found, at least in urban areas, I could get by pretty well.  I also saved $135 a month (my total monthly Treo bill from Rogers).  

Wi-fi PDAs spring to mind but surely there are other alternatives as well.

Isn't it possible, maybe even likely, that the mobile oligopoly will go the way of the music industry 8 years ago?  It was usurious pricing that drove consumers to invent their own distribution network for music.  Ironic that Apple would be the source of that kind of exodus in cell services, after stepping into the music breach with iTunes and prices consumers would pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict the Rogers pricing model, coupled with inevitable mid-contract increases, is going to kill the golden goose.  </p>
<p>The breadth of wi-fi coverage in Canada increases every year, and Skype is shaking the kinks out of its mobile product.  A year ago I experimented with using a wi-fi enabled PDA rather than a cell phone and found, at least in urban areas, I could get by pretty well.  I also saved $135 a month (my total monthly Treo bill from Rogers).  </p>
<p>Wi-fi PDAs spring to mind but surely there are other alternatives as well.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it possible, maybe even likely, that the mobile oligopoly will go the way of the music industry 8 years ago?  It was usurious pricing that drove consumers to invent their own distribution network for music.  Ironic that Apple would be the source of that kind of exodus in cell services, after stepping into the music breach with iTunes and prices consumers would pay.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: TM Forum Community - Blogs</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/#comment-71198</link>
		<dc:creator>TM Forum Community - Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3500#comment-71198</guid>
		<description>[...] operators as Apple has provided a rubber stamp to the subsidy-driven business model. They’ve also ceded pricing power back to the operator: that headline price drop for the device masks a hefty price rise for the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] operators as Apple has provided a rubber stamp to the subsidy-driven business model. They’ve also ceded pricing power back to the operator: that headline price drop for the device masks a hefty price rise for the [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: I Have Turned Bearish on Apple! on InvestorGeeks</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/#comment-69999</link>
		<dc:creator>I Have Turned Bearish on Apple! on InvestorGeeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3500#comment-69999</guid>
		<description>[...] same subject, broke it down like this, the iPhone is a razor, and the App store is selling blades, writes Mark Evans. He he went a bit further, too. He said: “love your iPhone but get ready to pay through the nose [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] same subject, broke it down like this, the iPhone is a razor, and the App store is selling blades, writes Mark Evans. He he went a bit further, too. He said: “love your iPhone but get ready to pay through the nose [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/#comment-69841</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3500#comment-69841</guid>
		<description>Ben:

You make some excellent points, doing a better job than I did of drawing into the spotlight why Apple is so content to sell lower-price iPhones. If, as you suggest, the Apple retail store emerges, then it's really a win-win for Apple and the carriers. Apple gets to a build a lucrative e-commerce platform while carriers get a strong revenue stream and a loyal customer base. iPhone users, meanwhile, will get a great device and an amazing array of services, although there will be a cost associated with it.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben:</p>
<p>You make some excellent points, doing a better job than I did of drawing into the spotlight why Apple is so content to sell lower-price iPhones. If, as you suggest, the Apple retail store emerges, then it&#8217;s really a win-win for Apple and the carriers. Apple gets to a build a lucrative e-commerce platform while carriers get a strong revenue stream and a loyal customer base. iPhone users, meanwhile, will get a great device and an amazing array of services, although there will be a cost associated with it.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ben Kunz</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/#comment-69837</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kunz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3500#comment-69837</guid>
		<description>Mark,

Nice post on the Apple pricing. I agree, and perhaps your logic can be followed even further. The Apple iPhone is more than an entry for wireless providers to up their data fees in the future. It is also the first truly mobile operating system that can be updated via future functionality to boost other content sales from Apple.

Really, Apple has created a tool that is in fact a mobile storefront, sitting in your pocket, waiting for an OS update to tempt you to buy future digitized content ... music, videos, mapping services tied to GPS, who knows? If Apple devises a new 3-D entertainment system that people have to pay for, it will simply update the iPhone OS, make you an offer, and suddenly you'll want to buy a 3-D library of content to go with your tunes and videos.

Think of the beauty -- Apple can rearrange its retail store, in your pocket, by sending out a signal!

If you were to calculate the lifetime value of a typical Apple customer with an iPhone, and count up all the songs and movies and games that person might by over the 3-4 years before they need the next Apple toy, it's surely more than $1,000.

Personally, I think Apple deserves it, for changing the game and finally giving us the real mobile web. But make no mistake, Mr. Jobs is looking far beyond today's phone sales into what else will fit on that screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Nice post on the Apple pricing. I agree, and perhaps your logic can be followed even further. The Apple iPhone is more than an entry for wireless providers to up their data fees in the future. It is also the first truly mobile operating system that can be updated via future functionality to boost other content sales from Apple.</p>
<p>Really, Apple has created a tool that is in fact a mobile storefront, sitting in your pocket, waiting for an OS update to tempt you to buy future digitized content &#8230; music, videos, mapping services tied to GPS, who knows? If Apple devises a new 3-D entertainment system that people have to pay for, it will simply update the iPhone OS, make you an offer, and suddenly you&#8217;ll want to buy a 3-D library of content to go with your tunes and videos.</p>
<p>Think of the beauty &#8212; Apple can rearrange its retail store, in your pocket, by sending out a signal!</p>
<p>If you were to calculate the lifetime value of a typical Apple customer with an iPhone, and count up all the songs and movies and games that person might by over the 3-4 years before they need the next Apple toy, it&#8217;s surely more than $1,000.</p>
<p>Personally, I think Apple deserves it, for changing the game and finally giving us the real mobile web. But make no mistake, Mr. Jobs is looking far beyond today&#8217;s phone sales into what else will fit on that screen.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Scottgee</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/#comment-69633</link>
		<dc:creator>Scottgee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3500#comment-69633</guid>
		<description>Recent stats show that two-thirds of Canadians have cell phones.

To be a tad bit simplistic... 

If you could get ten million of the aforementioned cellular Canadians to commit to a truly unlimited data and voice plan at $40 per month, you would be bringing in $4.8 billion per year. That's $40 x 12 months x 10 million subscribers = $4.8 billion in revenue. I'm certainly not versed in the economics of running a nationwide cellular network, but $4.8 billion is no small change!

It would also be nice to see some regional/local carriers eat into this market... focusing on key urban centers and undercutting the three big boys significantly. Offer three hot phones (BBBold, iPhone, and Nokia NXX) to keep support simple and build a modern 3G network from the ground up.

As far back as 2001, over 80% of Canadians lived in urban centers. Ontario alone has 10 million urban dwellers (StatsCan). Cover Quebec too and you're up to 15 million.

As a little side note... Rogers' wireless division made $5.5 billion in revenue for 2007 with adjusted profits of $2.58 billion in profits! http://your.rogers.com/investorrelations/rogers_wireless.asp No wonder when you call one of the big 3 "providers" in Canada to complain about overcharging on long distance they are willing to drop the charges outright! 

Judging from the remaining list of bidders in the current round of spectrum auctions, Industry Canada has miserably failed to "Open up [Canada's] Wireless Industry to more Competition." I bet you can name three of the top five bidders with your eyes closed! About the only chance left lies with Globalive (parent of Yak). Fingers crossed that they follow through and see the possibilities!

Imagine if someone (somebody nudge Globalive) started a slick, modern network without all the baggage that comes with our beloved oligopolists. What a wonderful Canada we would live in!

p.s. Ted, why don't my monthly minutes roll over to the next month? I didn't use them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recent stats show that two-thirds of Canadians have cell phones.</p>
<p>To be a tad bit simplistic&#8230; </p>
<p>If you could get ten million of the aforementioned cellular Canadians to commit to a truly unlimited data and voice plan at $40 per month, you would be bringing in $4.8 billion per year. That&#8217;s $40 x 12 months x 10 million subscribers = $4.8 billion in revenue. I&#8217;m certainly not versed in the economics of running a nationwide cellular network, but $4.8 billion is no small change!</p>
<p>It would also be nice to see some regional/local carriers eat into this market&#8230; focusing on key urban centers and undercutting the three big boys significantly. Offer three hot phones (BBBold, iPhone, and Nokia NXX) to keep support simple and build a modern 3G network from the ground up.</p>
<p>As far back as 2001, over 80% of Canadians lived in urban centers. Ontario alone has 10 million urban dwellers (StatsCan). Cover Quebec too and you&#8217;re up to 15 million.</p>
<p>As a little side note&#8230; Rogers&#8217; wireless division made $5.5 billion in revenue for 2007 with adjusted profits of $2.58 billion in profits! <a href="http://your.rogers.com/investorrelations/rogers_wireless.asp" rel="nofollow">http://your.rogers.com/investorrelations/rogers_wireless.asp</a> No wonder when you call one of the big 3 &#8220;providers&#8221; in Canada to complain about overcharging on long distance they are willing to drop the charges outright! </p>
<p>Judging from the remaining list of bidders in the current round of spectrum auctions, Industry Canada has miserably failed to &#8220;Open up [Canada's] Wireless Industry to more Competition.&#8221; I bet you can name three of the top five bidders with your eyes closed! About the only chance left lies with Globalive (parent of Yak). Fingers crossed that they follow through and see the possibilities!</p>
<p>Imagine if someone (somebody nudge Globalive) started a slick, modern network without all the baggage that comes with our beloved oligopolists. What a wonderful Canada we would live in!</p>
<p>p.s. Ted, why don&#8217;t my monthly minutes roll over to the next month? I didn&#8217;t use them!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: n00b</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/#comment-69502</link>
		<dc:creator>n00b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3500#comment-69502</guid>
		<description>And the price hikes don't stop there!

No more free SMS included with the AT&#38;T data plan, so don't forget to add that in as well. $5/month for 200 text messages, or $20/month for unlimited.

So even if you skimp by on 200 like the original iPhone, that's still another $120 you'll be paying over the two years, in addition to the $240 extra from the data plan hike.

When I'm paying $360 more than for the original iPhone, that $199 price tag on the phone doesn't seem like such a bargain anymore. Apple can go screw themselves for the "...half the price" slogan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the price hikes don&#8217;t stop there!</p>
<p>No more free SMS included with the AT&amp;T data plan, so don&#8217;t forget to add that in as well. $5/month for 200 text messages, or $20/month for unlimited.</p>
<p>So even if you skimp by on 200 like the original iPhone, that&#8217;s still another $120 you&#8217;ll be paying over the two years, in addition to the $240 extra from the data plan hike.</p>
<p>When I&#8217;m paying $360 more than for the original iPhone, that $199 price tag on the phone doesn&#8217;t seem like such a bargain anymore. Apple can go screw themselves for the &#8220;&#8230;half the price&#8221; slogan.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: iPhone as platform = cha-ching &#187; mathewingram.com/work &#124;</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/#comment-69498</link>
		<dc:creator>iPhone as platform = cha-ching &#187; mathewingram.com/work &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3500#comment-69498</guid>
		<description>[...] friend and fellow mesh 2008 organizer Mark Evans has a post about the iPhone and how it is just one part of a &#8220;razor and blades&#8221; market model &#8212; i.e., the carriers subsidize the phone as a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] friend and fellow mesh 2008 organizer Mark Evans has a post about the iPhone and how it is just one part of a &#8220;razor and blades&#8221; market model &#8212; i.e., the carriers subsidize the phone as a [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark McKay</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/11/iphone-mathematics-consumers-will-pay-and-pay-and-pay/#comment-69484</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3500#comment-69484</guid>
		<description>I knew it was too good to be true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew it was too good to be true!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
