Comments on: The Wonderful World of Web 2.0 Whining http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/08/the-wonderful-world-of-web-20-whining/ Insight and Analysis from North of the Border Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:27:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Jim http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/08/the-wonderful-world-of-web-20-whining/#comment-68886 Jim Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:58:33 +0000 http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3490#comment-68886 Twitter encourages people to use it for more than just vanity and time killing. They open up their API for developers to create third party apps and for other web services to integrate. Let's not forget the Twitter evangelists out there who hype the service and arm twist others into using it. While all of this is going on Twitter continues to build on a framework that cannot support the efforts that will be needed to scale up to meet the incoming flood of new users. Then they blame those users for causing their problems. If there's a better recipe for creating en-masse bitching I'm not aware of it. Twitter encourages people to use it for more than just vanity and time killing. They open up their API for developers to create third party apps and for other web services to integrate. Let’s not forget the Twitter evangelists out there who hype the service and arm twist others into using it.

While all of this is going on Twitter continues to build on a framework that cannot support the efforts that will be needed to scale up to meet the incoming flood of new users.

Then they blame those users for causing their problems.

If there’s a better recipe for creating en-masse bitching I’m not aware of it.

]]> By: links for 2008-06-09 | mad dog in the fog http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/08/the-wonderful-world-of-web-20-whining/#comment-68684 links for 2008-06-09 | mad dog in the fog Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:32:01 +0000 http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3490#comment-68684 [...] The Wonderful World of Web 2.0 Whining | Mark Evans “It’s bad enough no one wants to pay for anything, but the expectations placed on free services to deliver 99.99999% reliability are astounding. Come on, what do you expect for nothing?” (tags: twitter web2.0) [...] [...] The Wonderful World of Web 2.0 Whining | Mark Evans “It’s bad enough no one wants to pay for anything, but the expectations placed on free services to deliver 99.99999% reliability are astounding. Come on, what do you expect for nothing?” (tags: twitter web2.0) [...]

]]> By: Reasonable performance expectations for free Web 2.0 services | Broadcasting Brain http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/08/the-wonderful-world-of-web-20-whining/#comment-68563 Reasonable performance expectations for free Web 2.0 services | Broadcasting Brain Mon, 09 Jun 2008 06:31:19 +0000 http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3490#comment-68563 [...] Evans brings the point to the surface in his post The Wonderful Word of Web 2.0 Whining where he writes about the way that people complain about Twitter’s now famous up-time and [...] [...] Evans brings the point to the surface in his post The Wonderful Word of Web 2.0 Whining where he writes about the way that people complain about Twitter’s now famous up-time and [...]

]]> By: Paul Marshall http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/08/the-wonderful-world-of-web-20-whining/#comment-68419 Paul Marshall Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:04:44 +0000 http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3490#comment-68419 Agreed Mark, there is a difference between those who are frustrated and "whining" because they are trying to use your service for something you hadn't contemplated and those who just have nothing to do but complain! Agreed Mark, there is a difference between those who are frustrated and “whining” because they are trying to use your service for something you hadn’t contemplated and those who just have nothing to do but complain!

]]> By: Mark Evans http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/08/the-wonderful-world-of-web-20-whining/#comment-68418 Mark Evans Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:54:56 +0000 http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3490#comment-68418 Paul, Constructive whining can be a good thing if it causes a service provider to fix things or re-think how the service works and the features it includes. It's when it's whining for the sake of whining that's difficult to swallow. Paul,

Constructive whining can be a good thing if it causes a service provider to fix things or re-think how the service works and the features it includes. It’s when it’s whining for the sake of whining that’s difficult to swallow.

]]> By: Paul Marshall http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/08/the-wonderful-world-of-web-20-whining/#comment-68406 Paul Marshall Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:31:37 +0000 http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3490#comment-68406 I agree with *most* of what you guys are saying. The only reason I believe that there is some merit in the whiners and in fact you want the winers is because they are the ones who will challege your product/service and use it in ways that no one else will, which will eventually lead you to estabishing and refining your business model. Mathew Ingram had a really good article http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/06/04/the-early-internet-no-business-model/ on the lack of or fluidity of business models for tech company in the early days. Flushing this out and driving the business forward is invaluable and these "whiners" do play a significant role in validating and bending what you will do and become. -CFOMarshall I agree with *most* of what you guys are saying. The only reason I believe that there is some merit in the whiners and in fact you want the winers is because they are the ones who will challege your product/service and use it in ways that no one else will, which will eventually lead you to estabishing and refining your business model. Mathew Ingram had a really good article http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/06/04/the-early-internet-no-business-model/ on the lack of or fluidity of business models for tech company in the early days. Flushing this out and driving the business forward is invaluable and these “whiners” do play a significant role in validating and bending what you will do and become.
-CFOMarshall

]]> By: Julian Baldwin http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/08/the-wonderful-world-of-web-20-whining/#comment-68388 Julian Baldwin Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:51:32 +0000 http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3490#comment-68388 Yea, I lasted about two weeks as one of the whiners before I declared a man up http://julianbaldwin.com/blog/2008/05/24/nobody-dies-on-my-watch-friendfeed-and-twitter-will-both-survive/ Not spam! Just reinforcing your point for any readers in the driver seat of whinehicle. Yea, I lasted about two weeks as one of the whiners before I declared a man up http://julianbaldwin.com/blog/2008/05/24/nobody-dies-on-my-watch-friendfeed-and-twitter-will-both-survive/

Not spam! Just reinforcing your point for any readers in the driver seat of whinehicle.

]]> By: Andy Wibbels http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/08/the-wonderful-world-of-web-20-whining/#comment-68363 Andy Wibbels Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:34:25 +0000 http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3490#comment-68363 Perfection! Everyone talks about how crucial Twitter has become so obviously they will be willing to pay for it... right? (crickets) Companies building their apps on unstable APIs/platforms are asking for it. Twitter magnifies the knee-jerk reaction that blogs have cultivated. Twitter is fun and free and cool. I think you're spot on about the community around it - that is what can be bought/sold is all these little interactions and connections. Perfection! Everyone talks about how crucial Twitter has become so obviously they will be willing to pay for it… right? (crickets) Companies building their apps on unstable APIs/platforms are asking for it. Twitter magnifies the knee-jerk reaction that blogs have cultivated. Twitter is fun and free and cool. I think you’re spot on about the community around it - that is what can be bought/sold is all these little interactions and connections.

]]> By: Jack Carlson http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/08/the-wonderful-world-of-web-20-whining/#comment-68355 Jack Carlson Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:17:16 +0000 http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3490#comment-68355 The complaining that I actually learn something from is that done by geeks who question the structure of a service that fails to scale or exposes the weakness of a technology. I've learned a fair amount about Ruby on Rails from those who used to promote it as the next great architecture only to find in practice that it falls short in certain applications. When people suggest alternatives I learn more. Whiners can be tedious with their unrealistic expectations, but they can also be educational as they speculate what went wrong and how to fix it. The complaining that I actually learn something from is that done by geeks who question the structure of a service that fails to scale or exposes the weakness of a technology. I’ve learned a fair amount about Ruby on Rails from those who used to promote it as the next great architecture only to find in practice that it falls short in certain applications. When people suggest alternatives I learn more.

Whiners can be tedious with their unrealistic expectations, but they can also be educational as they speculate what went wrong and how to fix it.

]]> By: sam http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/06/08/the-wonderful-world-of-web-20-whining/#comment-68329 sam Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:07:45 +0000 http://www.markevanstech.com/?p=3490#comment-68329 a succinct and spot on posting. a number of people want to have things for free, screw the pay aspect. if music isn't free, let's bitch and then take it. if twitter goes down, let's bitch. and yeah, i know that some claim that they're willing to pay. let's see over the course of time if this pans out. but as you suggest, twitter is really a way for those who are on the bleeding edge, or at least trying to act like they are, to do a mental masturbation for the rest of the world. you hit the nail on the head as far as i can tell. twitter does appear to be an app to waste time on for the vast majority of most users. peace a succinct and spot on posting.

a number of people want to have things for free, screw the pay aspect. if music isn’t free, let’s bitch and then take it. if twitter goes down, let’s bitch.

and yeah, i know that some claim that they’re willing to pay. let’s see over the course of time if this pans out.

but as you suggest, twitter is really a way for those who are on the bleeding edge, or at least trying to act like they are, to do a mental masturbation for the rest of the world.

you hit the nail on the head as far as i can tell. twitter does appear to be an app to waste time on for the vast majority of most users.

peace

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