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	<title>Comments on: Time for a Flickr-Yahoo Divorce</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/02/16/time-for-a-flickr-yahoo-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-46709</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun: The fact Flickr hasn&#039;t jumped into video yet illustrates why Flickr seems to be strategically stalled. I mean, video is the big thing these days but Flickr hasn&#039;t capitalized on its brand to establish a foothold. Perhaps Flickr wants to stay true to its photo roots but branching into video is not a strategic reach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun: The fact Flickr hasn&#8217;t jumped into video yet illustrates why Flickr seems to be strategically stalled. I mean, video is the big thing these days but Flickr hasn&#8217;t capitalized on its brand to establish a foothold. Perhaps Flickr wants to stay true to its photo roots but branching into video is not a strategic reach.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Rotman</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/02/16/time-for-a-flickr-yahoo-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-46679</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Rotman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Flickr needs a bit of a makeover, but not a complete overhaul.

You point out that Flickr employees need a reason to go to work in the morning, but aren&#039;t there tons of paying Pro account customers to attend to? I know I&#039;m a happy one.

I think Flickr has done more to create itself as a &quot;VIP&quot;-like club than a more integrated solution. It&#039;s like they&#039;re the &quot;Mac&quot; of the &quot;Mac vs. PC&quot; fan-boy war  in regard to photo sharing sites. Die hard fan base but the average person couldn&#039;t really care less and uses what comes to them easiest. I didn&#039;t even know about their partnership with Picnic until reading it here, but now that Facebook has eclipsed Flickr as the largest database of photos, why not make a Flickr Facebook app? I would LOVE to be able to tag my friends in all of my Flickr pics rather than selecting my &quot;favourite&quot; ones and having to re-upload them to Facebook as I am doing right now.

Also, Arrington posted back in the summer that Flickr would be adding video to its bill of services (http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/03/reconfirmation-flickr-to-add-video/). If you ask me, once they add that to their game, they&#039;re going to be a surefire knockout!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Flickr needs a bit of a makeover, but not a complete overhaul.</p>
<p>You point out that Flickr employees need a reason to go to work in the morning, but aren&#8217;t there tons of paying Pro account customers to attend to? I know I&#8217;m a happy one.</p>
<p>I think Flickr has done more to create itself as a &#8220;VIP&#8221;-like club than a more integrated solution. It&#8217;s like they&#8217;re the &#8220;Mac&#8221; of the &#8220;Mac vs. PC&#8221; fan-boy war  in regard to photo sharing sites. Die hard fan base but the average person couldn&#8217;t really care less and uses what comes to them easiest. I didn&#8217;t even know about their partnership with Picnic until reading it here, but now that Facebook has eclipsed Flickr as the largest database of photos, why not make a Flickr Facebook app? I would LOVE to be able to tag my friends in all of my Flickr pics rather than selecting my &#8220;favourite&#8221; ones and having to re-upload them to Facebook as I am doing right now.</p>
<p>Also, Arrington posted back in the summer that Flickr would be adding video to its bill of services (<a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/03/reconfirmation-flickr-to-add-video/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/03/reconfirmation-flickr-to-add-video/</a>). If you ask me, once they add that to their game, they&#8217;re going to be a surefire knockout!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/02/16/time-for-a-flickr-yahoo-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-46348</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark you have hit the nail on the head once again. I would hate to see what happens if Yahoo is purchased and taken over. But I think Flickr is a great service I have been really enjoying it. 

But watchout for Facebook, their terms of service says they have the right to use any photo uploaded for anything they see fit. But Flickr says you keep all rights and they have no right to any of it. Which is why Flickr apeals so much to photographer who love to keep their own work and make a living from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark you have hit the nail on the head once again. I would hate to see what happens if Yahoo is purchased and taken over. But I think Flickr is a great service I have been really enjoying it. </p>
<p>But watchout for Facebook, their terms of service says they have the right to use any photo uploaded for anything they see fit. But Flickr says you keep all rights and they have no right to any of it. Which is why Flickr apeals so much to photographer who love to keep their own work and make a living from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/02/16/time-for-a-flickr-yahoo-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-46278</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel: Good insight. My take is there is more room for Flickr to monetize operations IF it has to do it. You have to believe that users wouldn&#039;t object to advertising that was relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel: Good insight. My take is there is more room for Flickr to monetize operations IF it has to do it. You have to believe that users wouldn&#8217;t object to advertising that was relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Gibbons</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/02/16/time-for-a-flickr-yahoo-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-46274</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Gibbons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Flickr, too. After almost half a decade it remains for me the best of all the web 2.0 sites.

The difficulty is that by all accounts Flickr loses money as a stand-alone business and opportunities for monetization beyond the existing Pro accounts, photo albums, etc. aren&#039;t clear. The user base would almost certainly not tolerate heavy advertising across most pages, so its value is the passionate user base, but those users are most valuable when they complement and drive traffic to other web properties.

So perhaps Flickr&#039;s value *is* greatest when it is part of a larger portfolio of web properties -- it could be that Yahoo! is simply the wrong home. Y could probably sell Flickr for a massive premium over the original acquisition price (which I think was $30-$35MM, not $50MM), and I&#039;m sure there would be a long line of suitors. Imagine a Facebook / Flickr combination, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Flickr, too. After almost half a decade it remains for me the best of all the web 2.0 sites.</p>
<p>The difficulty is that by all accounts Flickr loses money as a stand-alone business and opportunities for monetization beyond the existing Pro accounts, photo albums, etc. aren&#8217;t clear. The user base would almost certainly not tolerate heavy advertising across most pages, so its value is the passionate user base, but those users are most valuable when they complement and drive traffic to other web properties.</p>
<p>So perhaps Flickr&#8217;s value *is* greatest when it is part of a larger portfolio of web properties &#8212; it could be that Yahoo! is simply the wrong home. Y could probably sell Flickr for a massive premium over the original acquisition price (which I think was $30-$35MM, not $50MM), and I&#8217;m sure there would be a long line of suitors. Imagine a Facebook / Flickr combination, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/02/16/time-for-a-flickr-yahoo-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-46214</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. 

I guess what I meant was having people who were passionate about community and photographs/photographers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. </p>
<p>I guess what I meant was having people who were passionate about community and photographs/photographers.</p>
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		<title>By: Venu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one signed up for flickr expecting a good photo sharing service
But off late, the service has so many issues.
1. Flickr sometimes becomes &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/64413/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;so slow&lt;/a&gt; and so unusable and in the forums the support staff seem to blame the ISP 
2. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/63956&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new uploadr&lt;/a&gt; is not working for so many people (I guess its one of the ways of reducing load on their servers)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one signed up for flickr expecting a good photo sharing service<br />
But off late, the service has so many issues.<br />
1. Flickr sometimes becomes <a href="http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/64413/" rel="nofollow">so slow</a> and so unusable and in the forums the support staff seem to blame the ISP<br />
2. The <a href="http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/63956" rel="nofollow">new uploadr</a> is not working for so many people (I guess its one of the ways of reducing load on their servers)</p>
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		<title>By: /pd</title>
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		<dc:creator>/pd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can you imagine what Flickr would look like if SmugMug, for example, was allowed to run it?&quot; 

Eh ??? do you remember this ??

http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-01-28-n59.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can you imagine what Flickr would look like if SmugMug, for example, was allowed to run it?&#8221; </p>
<p>Eh ??? do you remember this ??</p>
<p><a href="http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-01-28-n59.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-01-28-n59.html</a></p>
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