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	<title>Comments on: Rogers: It&#8217;s Bandwidth Management; Not Throttling</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2007/04/13/rogers-its-bandwidth-management/comment-page-1/#comment-291603</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 10:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8mbps is not the fastest Bell offers. For the prices Roger charges to have my traffic capped, I have 70mbps fiber line with Bell that is excellent. Do more research before you fanboy, bro. InB4Rogers Employee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8mbps is not the fastest Bell offers. For the prices Roger charges to have my traffic capped, I have 70mbps fiber line with Bell that is excellent. Do more research before you fanboy, bro. InB4Rogers Employee.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkkInferno&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Canadian Copyright &#38; Neutrality Wars</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2007/04/13/rogers-its-bandwidth-management/comment-page-1/#comment-161524</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkkInferno&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Canadian Copyright &#38; Neutrality Wars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] alternate purposes such as Canadian content rules.  When that happens, Rogers, the same ISP that acknowledges traffic shaping,  now says &#8220;We&#8217;re a dumb pipe. We don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] alternate purposes such as Canadian content rules.  When that happens, Rogers, the same ISP that acknowledges traffic shaping,  now says &#8220;We&#8217;re a dumb pipe. We don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ali</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2007/04/13/rogers-its-bandwidth-management/comment-page-1/#comment-161462</link>
		<dc:creator>ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rogers really is bad, although most isp&#039;s are throttling traffic, rogers is one of the few that are doing it the entire day. I myself use bell.
Bell actually has a time frame for throttling, that is from 4pm to 2am the speeds are slowed to 30 kb/s, while at night i get my full 700.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rogers really is bad, although most isp&#8217;s are throttling traffic, rogers is one of the few that are doing it the entire day. I myself use bell.<br />
Bell actually has a time frame for throttling, that is from 4pm to 2am the speeds are slowed to 30 kb/s, while at night i get my full 700.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2007/04/13/rogers-its-bandwidth-management/comment-page-1/#comment-159491</link>
		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after switching from a lackluster dsl service from bell to rogers i have since been unable to use p2p apps at all. mind you i can connect to said p2p servers and chat as such but downloading and uploading is impossible. i have been able to only get one user to connect to me so far and at a blistering 5kbits/sec yeah bits not bytes. prior to having the rogers extreme 10meg down 1 meg upload service installed i was able to upload to the same user at 70kbytes a sec. the dsl service was an advertised 6 meg down 680k up. but being that the phone lines it was running on are circa 1970&#039;s i could only muster a 4meg download.

after calling to complain to rogers the first time i was directed by the rogers CSR to contact Microsoft for a solution. although i fail to see what Microsoft Canada is going to do about internet shaping...
after the second call i got a case number and a hollow &quot; we&#039;ll look into this&quot; 
the third call netted me a &quot;we don&#039;t support p2p apps&quot; and was abruptly directed off the phone.
the fourth call after directly asking to speak to a tier 2 tech got me bold faced lies &quot;we don&#039;t shape our p2p transfers&quot; i asked for the supervisor... ten minutes passed and i got a rather defensive man named Ian CSR rep #E492. Ian informed me after i had directed him to this and many other forums with thousands of posts indicating their dislike for the new rogers internet. after nearly 40 mins on the phone with ian i recieved little resolution aside from wanting a different isp.
things i forgot to enter in this post....

- installer disconnected my dedicated DSL line ( still have half a months service paid for) i mean he pulled the bell wires out of the distribution block [this has NOTHING to do with rogers services]  

- rogers claimed today that i have downloaded 75% of my allotted 95GB for the month (including today i have had the service for 9 days hard to imagine transferring 85+ GB with the inability to connect to anyone)

- and what takes the cake for me ..  Ian &quot; I&#039;m sorry i don&#039;t know how these p2p aps connect or work&quot; coming from a tier 2 technical supervisor for rogers internet services. perhaps he should look into another field of work ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after switching from a lackluster dsl service from bell to rogers i have since been unable to use p2p apps at all. mind you i can connect to said p2p servers and chat as such but downloading and uploading is impossible. i have been able to only get one user to connect to me so far and at a blistering 5kbits/sec yeah bits not bytes. prior to having the rogers extreme 10meg down 1 meg upload service installed i was able to upload to the same user at 70kbytes a sec. the dsl service was an advertised 6 meg down 680k up. but being that the phone lines it was running on are circa 1970&#8242;s i could only muster a 4meg download.</p>
<p>after calling to complain to rogers the first time i was directed by the rogers CSR to contact Microsoft for a solution. although i fail to see what Microsoft Canada is going to do about internet shaping&#8230;<br />
after the second call i got a case number and a hollow &#8221; we&#8217;ll look into this&#8221;<br />
the third call netted me a &#8220;we don&#8217;t support p2p apps&#8221; and was abruptly directed off the phone.<br />
the fourth call after directly asking to speak to a tier 2 tech got me bold faced lies &#8220;we don&#8217;t shape our p2p transfers&#8221; i asked for the supervisor&#8230; ten minutes passed and i got a rather defensive man named Ian CSR rep #E492. Ian informed me after i had directed him to this and many other forums with thousands of posts indicating their dislike for the new rogers internet. after nearly 40 mins on the phone with ian i recieved little resolution aside from wanting a different isp.<br />
things i forgot to enter in this post&#8230;.</p>
<p>- installer disconnected my dedicated DSL line ( still have half a months service paid for) i mean he pulled the bell wires out of the distribution block [this has NOTHING to do with rogers services]  </p>
<p>- rogers claimed today that i have downloaded 75% of my allotted 95GB for the month (including today i have had the service for 9 days hard to imagine transferring 85+ GB with the inability to connect to anyone)</p>
<p>- and what takes the cake for me ..  Ian &#8221; I&#8217;m sorry i don&#8217;t know how these p2p aps connect or work&#8221; coming from a tier 2 technical supervisor for rogers internet services. perhaps he should look into another field of work ??</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2007/04/13/rogers-its-bandwidth-management/comment-page-1/#comment-114314</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an outrage I can&#039;t download the newest rap album without paying now!

Damn Rogers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an outrage I can&#8217;t download the newest rap album without paying now!</p>
<p>Damn Rogers!</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Rogers And Net Neutrality</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2007/04/13/rogers-its-bandwidth-management/comment-page-1/#comment-5744</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Rogers And Net Neutrality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from Matt Roberts on the Rogers issue. Roberts confirms the Rogers shaping (as does Mark Evans in a posting that refers to it as bandwidth management, a distinction without a difference in my view) but then [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from Matt Roberts on the Rogers issue. Roberts confirms the Rogers shaping (as does Mark Evans in a posting that refers to it as bandwidth management, a distinction without a difference in my view) but then [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2007/04/13/rogers-its-bandwidth-management/comment-page-1/#comment-5370</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 15:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After doing a large ammount of research myself and speaking with countless Rogers reps. supervisors, bosses, etc. here is what I&#039;ve come to discover.

I went in their accusing them of traffic shaping in BitTorrent and blocking encrypted data. They said both were going on. They said that they have been doing traffic shaping to deal with bandwidth issues, probably for the reasons that Matt Roberts stated, I didn&#039;t much care why myself, just that they were doing it.

Now as for the &quot;throttling of encrypted data transfer&quot;, what was explained to me was that they recently bought a new set of IP address (the 99.*.*.* addresses) and the company that they bought them from had encrypted data blocked on them. Rogers is trying to get that unblocked, or so I was told, but no one knows when it will actually happen (they claim it could happen in a week or it could take months). 

If you are untrustworthy of Rogers you could see this as a legal lupehole that would allow them to block encrypted data indefineatly. I don&#039;t personally believe that; however I don&#039;t want to continue with this problem for any longer so I am switching to a local ISP at the end of the month, and will await a call from Rogers for when they have fixed the problem. I would recommend the same for other people if possible.

This is what was explained to me and I believe it to be true as I have one of the 99 addresses and my internet (not just torrent) problems are explained down to every detail by a blockage of encrypted data.

I hope this sheds some light on the subject for people.

-Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After doing a large ammount of research myself and speaking with countless Rogers reps. supervisors, bosses, etc. here is what I&#8217;ve come to discover.</p>
<p>I went in their accusing them of traffic shaping in BitTorrent and blocking encrypted data. They said both were going on. They said that they have been doing traffic shaping to deal with bandwidth issues, probably for the reasons that Matt Roberts stated, I didn&#8217;t much care why myself, just that they were doing it.</p>
<p>Now as for the &#8220;throttling of encrypted data transfer&#8221;, what was explained to me was that they recently bought a new set of IP address (the 99.*.*.* addresses) and the company that they bought them from had encrypted data blocked on them. Rogers is trying to get that unblocked, or so I was told, but no one knows when it will actually happen (they claim it could happen in a week or it could take months). </p>
<p>If you are untrustworthy of Rogers you could see this as a legal lupehole that would allow them to block encrypted data indefineatly. I don&#8217;t personally believe that; however I don&#8217;t want to continue with this problem for any longer so I am switching to a local ISP at the end of the month, and will await a call from Rogers for when they have fixed the problem. I would recommend the same for other people if possible.</p>
<p>This is what was explained to me and I believe it to be true as I have one of the 99 addresses and my internet (not just torrent) problems are explained down to every detail by a blockage of encrypted data.</p>
<p>I hope this sheds some light on the subject for people.</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: gtr</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2007/04/13/rogers-its-bandwidth-management/comment-page-1/#comment-5351</link>
		<dc:creator>gtr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 02:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i switched from rogers to bell last summer, sympatico doesnt block p2p traffic, i have bit comet on 1 pc and emule on the other, they all work perfectly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i switched from rogers to bell last summer, sympatico doesnt block p2p traffic, i have bit comet on 1 pc and emule on the other, they all work perfectly</p>
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		<title>By: More on Rogers&#8230; at markn.ca</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2007/04/13/rogers-its-bandwidth-management/comment-page-1/#comment-5146</link>
		<dc:creator>More on Rogers&#8230; at markn.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mark Evans has a good breakdown again from the technical [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.markevanstech.com/2007/04/13/rogers-its-bandwidth-management/comment-page-1/#comment-5142</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stay away from 3web, they might not throttle, but come peak hours, service is known to get down to the single digits in speed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stay away from 3web, they might not throttle, but come peak hours, service is known to get down to the single digits in speed</p>
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