Comments on: Rogers: It’s Bandwidth Management; Not Throttling

By: » Rogers And Net Neutrality

» Rogers And Net Neutrality — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:20:47 +0000

[...] from Matt Roberts on the Rogers issue. Roberts confirms the Rogers shaping (as does Mark Evans in a posting that refers to it as bandwidth management, a distinction without a difference in my view) but then [...]

By: Steve

Steve — Sat, 12 May 2007 15:41:36 +0000

After doing a large ammount of research myself and speaking with countless Rogers reps. supervisors, bosses, etc. here is what I’ve come to discover.

I went in their accusing them of traffic shaping in BitTorrent and blocking encrypted data. They said both were going on. They said that they have been doing traffic shaping to deal with bandwidth issues, probably for the reasons that Matt Roberts stated, I didn’t much care why myself, just that they were doing it.

Now as for the “throttling of encrypted data transfer”, what was explained to me was that they recently bought a new set of IP address (the 99.*.*.* addresses) and the company that they bought them from had encrypted data blocked on them. Rogers is trying to get that unblocked, or so I was told, but no one knows when it will actually happen (they claim it could happen in a week or it could take months).

If you are untrustworthy of Rogers you could see this as a legal lupehole that would allow them to block encrypted data indefineatly. I don’t personally believe that; however I don’t want to continue with this problem for any longer so I am switching to a local ISP at the end of the month, and will await a call from Rogers for when they have fixed the problem. I would recommend the same for other people if possible.

This is what was explained to me and I believe it to be true as I have one of the 99 addresses and my internet (not just torrent) problems are explained down to every detail by a blockage of encrypted data.

I hope this sheds some light on the subject for people.

-Steve

By: gtr

gtr — Wed, 09 May 2007 02:16:16 +0000

i switched from rogers to bell last summer, sympatico doesnt block p2p traffic, i have bit comet on 1 pc and emule on the other, they all work perfectly

By: More on Rogers… at markn.ca

More on Rogers… at markn.ca — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:16:58 +0000

[...] Mark Evans has a good breakdown again from the technical [...]

By: Ed

Ed — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:20:13 +0000

Stay away from 3web, they might not throttle, but come peak hours, service is known to get down to the single digits in speed

By: Jason

Jason — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 02:22:12 +0000

check out 3web @ http://www.get3web.com/highspeed/highspeedMenu.jsp?page=hsindex
they resell rogers at a much cheaper price, but without the throttling

By: Jim

Jim — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:41:42 +0000

Many ISPs also use products that optimize peer-peer file sharing, so that (transparent to the end user) the files you receive come from end-users that are closer to you. eg Assuming Rogers has this implemented and you are a Rogers customer, you are more likely to retrieve files from other Rogers users rather than from end-users on other ISPs; this means faster downloads for the end-user and cheaper costs to Rogers since they don’t have to pay for bandwidth to connect to other ISPs. Sandvine in Waterloo is the leading product vendor that allows ISPs to do this.

By: Ed

Ed — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:01:51 +0000

I don’t get the point with ISP here in Canada. Even in France, which has a ~57% penetration rate in terms of computer usage in households (teletude.ca 2006 report), ISPs are investing not only in ADSL2+ (24 Mbps) but in FTTH networks as well.
As of now, the debate is about which of GPON or P2P is the best technological choice for the future….not about limiting the bandwidth as Rogers does.
Everyone agrees that the end user is waiting for symetrical 50-100Mbits at home. Orange has started offering 100Mbps symetrical for 70 euros/month and Orange is the most expensive. See what you get with http://www.erenis.fr (100/50 Mbps for 35 euros). And http://www.neuf.fr et http://www.free.fr have started rolling out their fiber networks and will offer a comparable service for not above the commonly agreed upon “psychological price” as the French say.
I used to pay 29,99 euros (~40$CAD) for 24/1Mbps, phone calls to 32 countries, 100 tv channels, wireless modem/routeur included and everything UNLIMITED. I can’t understand why Rogers or Bell are unable to do the same even in big urban areas.

PS: As mobile data is concerned, have a look at what a 2 year old MVNO is offering http://www.tenmobile.fr/offres.php.
And France is still one of the european countries with the highest mobile rates.

By: Larry Borsato

Larry Borsato — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:45:02 +0000

This seems to be a case of false advertising though. Rogers claims to provide 5 MB speeds (I know - “up to 5MB”) for internet use. Yet if I choose to use P2P (an example of internet use) they intentionally provide much less.

So unless they clearly advertise that they limit P2P traffic (and since they long claimed they didn’t and were lying) then they are making a false claim.

By: Lets ask ourselves: what is Net Neutrality really? « mattroberts.com

Lets ask ourselves: what is Net Neutrality really? « mattroberts.com — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:23:36 +0000

[...] UPDATE: Mark Evans is using his connections to get a bit more out of Rogers.Â [...]